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I originally posted this over at my MMA page, I suggest you read it over there should the formatting in this thread fuck up again. Here's the link

http://mmaallday.blogspot.com/2008/06/top-10-most-influential-mma-fighters-of.html

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So this entry just popped out of nowhere while I'm reading random top tens in Listverse.com. I was actually inspired by the entries over there and I just thought, what about I do a top 10 of my own? This was originally a Top 10 Most Influential Basketball Players of all time but I figured that subject would be too broad and the discussions regarding that topic would never stop. Which brings me to another sport which is really really close to my heart, Mixed Martial Arts. There, it will be easier for me to rank because the sport hasn't been around that long, unlike my first option Basketball. Plus, should I miss one fighter on that list, I think it will only be less than 10, unlike in Basketball where in I could miss twenties.

Here are the criteria that I used i choosing

a) What they have actually done for the Sport and how they helped it grow

b) Their popularity, not only in hardcore fans but in casual fans itself

c) A proven winning record from a proven winning org

d) Must be an MMA fighter (So yeah, that does not include Bruce Lee or Carlos Gracie)

Here's the list

10) Fedor Emelianenko

While arguably the best Mixed Martial Artist in the sport's short history, one reason why Fedor is this low in my rankings is because he hasn't really changed the sport drastically compared to the other 9 fighters below. Plus, add to it the fact that Fedor is basically unknown in casual fans in North America, some parts of Europe and even here in the Philippines. Fedor of course is being treated like God in Japan and Russia, which he truly deserves btw, and still the Number 1 Heavyweight in the world right now.

9) Wanderlei Silva

If you would ask a fan who's been watching MMA for quite some time, who's the most exciting fighter in Mixed Martial Arts.. I guess you'll get Wanderlei Silva 8 out of 10 times. The name Wanderlei Silva is synonymous to the words exciting and warrior. Ruled in Japan for five years, stopping legends, future champs and big named fighters at that time. He even fought guys who were heavier than him, all for the sake of his fans.. all for the sake of entertainment. Wanderlei Silva truly is one of the most influential MMA fighters of all time

8) Tito Ortiz

Along with the rise of MMA as a sport comes this blond guy who slams people, elbows them to death, give them the finger and dig a grave for them. Yes, his name is Tito Ortiz.

I'm really disappointed with how unappreciative some fans can be. While MMA was on its dark ages, Tito Ortiz was almost on everybody's mouth. Everybody was talking about Tito, heck Tito for once was one of the most feared men in the UFC. Tito was also a former UFC Light Heavyweight Champion, defended it for five times and was a part of two of the most talked about feuds in mainstream MMA.

7) Bas Rutten

Everybody loves Bas. How can you not? He's one of the pioneers of Mixed Martial Arts and also one of the respected strikers in the sport. Bas has this charisma, which everybody seem to love and of course, the fighting pedigree to back his charisma up.

After retiring, Bas went on to be a commentator in Pride FC for Japan and there, the term was coined, "When Bas talks, everybody listens"

6) Ken Shamrock

Known to many as the most dangerous man, Ken Shamrock is also a pioneer of the sport. Having fought since UFC 1, Shamrock turned heads with his deadly submissions and hot temper. Shamrock is also the founder of the Lion's Den, an MMA team which produced great fighters back then.

Shamrock was also known for being a part of one of the most talked about feuds in MMA against Tito Ortiz. Although Ken would lose all three of their matches, Ken would always be remembered as one of the all time greats which helped popularize the sport in it's darkest times.

5) Frank Shamrock

Frank is another pioneer in the sport who may not match up with his brother's fame, but definitely has an advantage when it comes to skill set alone.

He's known as probably the first ever well rounded MMA fighter in history. Has the ability to stand up and trade with good boxers, kick boxers and muay artists and has the ability to roll with the best grapplers in the sport. That's why he's still around even if the sport has evolved ten folds.

4) Randy Couture

Just like Bas Rutten, who doesn't love Randy Couture? Well probably Dana White but he hates everybody who's against him so.. that doesn't count. Randy is probably one of the classiest fighters ever. Known for his superior wrestling skills, Couture is still the only man in UFC History to win a title five times.

However, he's more known to casual fans as "the old guy" who beats up really big people, that of course is with reference to Randy's return title match against Tim Sylvia, which he won in dominating fashion and his dominance of rising Heavyweight Contender Gabriel Gonzaga.

3) Kazushi Sakruaba

A list of the most influential fighters of all time without Kazushi Sakuraba is not only blasphemous, it's also downright disgusting. Kazushi Sakuraba is definitely the most influential Asian in the Sport. Sakuraba in Japan is like Manny Pacquiao in the Philippines.. that's how influential this guy is. Sakuraba is a part of probably the most epic battle of all time, a 90 minute war against Royce Gracie.. and at that time, that was like the equivalent of Ali vs Frazer in Boxing.

Sakuraba was known for his exciting style of fighting and never say never attitude. Back in his prime, Sakuraba would fight fighters who was 20 to 30 pounds heavier than him. That's why everybody respects him and his legacy in this sport.

2) Chuck Liddell

Do I really need to write something about this guy? Let's just say he's the king of mainstream MMA. Dominated the UFC Light Heavyweight Division for quite sometime, winning it most by knock out. If you would go out and ask a casual fan who's their favorite fighter, you would get the answer Chuck Liddell 7/10 times. Now after that, try asking them who they first saw when they first watched MMA.. you'll get the answer Chuck Liddell 9/10 times

The hype this guy is having right now is just crazy, the magazine covers, the commercials, the shirts, the mohawks.. everything. Every wants to be this guy.. that's why he's number 2 in my list.

And now the most influential fighter of all time..

1) Royce Gracie

If you're watching a street fight, and you see a dork looking dude who's fighting a guy 50 pounds heavier than him, what would you first think? PWNAGE right? Well let's say after sticking around to watch a random guy get beat, you actually saw this dork looking dude break his opponent's arm in two what would you think? Right, awesomeness.

That's exactly what I thought when I first watched Royce Gracie and I know 50% of MMA fans thought that too.

Royce is actually the one who got me interested in MMA (Alongside Tito since I watched the Gracie fights on re runs) He wasn't a man in my opinion, he was just out there, breaking arms and choking out people and nobody had a clue on how he's doing it. That turned out to be a technique called Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, a technique that's being used by MMA fighters now world wide.

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Other fighters that are worth noting

Matt Hughes
Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
Mark Coleman
Dan Severn
Georges St.Pierre
BJ Penn
Don Frye
Anderson Silva
Mirko Cro Cop
Pat Militech

Comments and violent reactions are recommended. :D

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    Chrisangelo's avatar posted by Chrisangelo, 5 months ago

    After retiring, Bas went on to be a commentator in Pride FC for Japan and there, the term was coined, "When Bas talks, everybody listens"

    Shit, I mixed up FOR and IN. That was for Pride FC in Japan.

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    wicked1925's avatar posted by wicked1925, 5 months ago

    I agree with RG being the most influential MMA artist, and in my opinion...he started MMA! He's been a UFC fighter since UFC 1 and been there for a long time, participating in most of the brutal UFC fights, and when I say brutal..it is really damn brutal! He is the one who brought jiu jitsu into fame, jiu jitsu being the background of all grappling techniques in MMA. I couldn't say anything less but praises about this guy.

    I think Pat Militech should be in the top ten, I mean if crowd popularity is not in the criteria...Pat's influence in modern MMA is undoubtedly there. When I say influence, it is synonymous to Matt Hughes, Tim Sylvia, and some young MMA fighters practicing the Militech Fighting system. Militech fighting system is the modern day equivalent of Gracies jiu jitsu, IMHO. You should give credit to guy.

    Although Frank Shamrock is great MMA fighter, undefeated in UFC, I can't say that he is really that influential. Well comm'on when you hear the word Shamrock, who will first come into your mind...Ken Shamrock, right? That's the reason I think Frank should not be in the top ten. There's no doubt that he is a good fighter but his biggest problem when it comes to popularity is him being Shamrock. His brother is a big name in MMA history, and for that reason he will always be in his brother's back when it comes to popularity and influence. And what the hell, I know Frank is better than Ken...but when it comes to popularity and influence, I will go with the later. I will even make Ken the number 2 in my list.

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    lyka's avatar posted by lyka, 5 months ago

    How come your favorite fighter isn't in the list? "Can you andle my riddum" not good enough of a contribution to MMA for you? Lol.

    As you know, I enjoy watching MMA. What can I say, guys in tight underwear beating the crap out of each other? My idea of pure entertainment. Bas Rutten though? Man, that guy doesn't even have to lift a finger and I'm already cracking up. Tito Ortiz gives off an arrogant vibe almost stronger than the BO of most hobos I have the misfortune of encountering in the bus... but that's what makes him entertaining, I suppose. :P AND YAY, CHUCK'S #2!

    So far I haven't seen (aka you haven't shown me, lol) any fights with the two Shamrocks and Sakuraba, though. Or maybe I have and have just forgotten.

    Either way, I'm curious. Just how many of those "out of 10" predictions were made up? :P Like the wise Homer Simpson said, "Aw, people can come up with statistics to prove anything, Kent. Forfty percent of all people know that." (lol)


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    jepunx's avatar posted by jepunx, 5 months ago

    as long as Bas Rutten, Chuck Lidell and Randy Couture is in.. i'm satisfied with the results.. who doesn't?

    they can kiss the canvass if they don't like this LIST!

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    michael316's avatar posted by michael316, 5 months ago

    @ wicked1925:
    RG isn't really used for Royce Gracie, since several of his famous relatives would also have those initials like Renzo, Roger, Royler, Ryan (R.I.P.), Rickson (who was in Incredible Hulk) and others.

    Nice list. I'd have included Rampage in at least the honorable mention section for his charisma, smart mouth and the belt around his waist.

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    wicked1925's avatar posted by wicked1925, 5 months ago

    @michael316: thanks for reminding me that. I'm just too lazy to type the whole name, yeah call me a lazy alcoholic for that. And yeah you can put that bastard Rampage in the "reserves" for defeating chuck and hendo but i'm pretty much sure he won't be hugging that belt for a long time.

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    sydman's avatar posted by sydman, 5 months ago

    what the hell? you invited me here just to see this!?!?!

    PAT!

    and let kobe kiss you in your dreams!

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    Chrisangelo's avatar posted by Chrisangelo, 5 months ago

    @Chet on Frank Shamrock: It's really hard to discount what Frank did for the sport, if you're talking about Pat Militech and how he has opened the gates for modern MMA fighters, think about how Frank influenced the sport. Frank (As much as I hate him) is the first complete fighter to ever come out in the early times of MMA. Back when everyone was just focusing on one aspect like Boxing, JJ, Kick Boxing and others, Frank became the first fighter to successfully mix it all up thus opening the eyes of MMA Fighters and MMA fans to hey, we can do this. As much as I hate this guy, Frank Shamrock = The Beginning of Modern MMA.

    @Michael: Missed Rampage, sorry about that. Rickson would armbar the incredible hulk though.

    @Lyka on GSP: GSP is too new I guess to be on the list. Same goes with Anderson and BJ. I have shown you fights of Ken Shamrock, actually all his three fights against Tito. Ping me and I'll give you the Frank Shamrock and the Saku links.

    @Sydman on being an ass: Oh yeah you dickwat. I'm surprised you aren't highjacking any thread yet. :> :> :>

    @Jepunx: Thanks man.

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    sydman's avatar posted by sydman, 5 months ago

    hehe! so, wala tayong alliance pagdating sa Hifi?

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    Chrisangelo's avatar posted by Chrisangelo, 5 months ago

    ^ What alliance? The HooPh connection? Hahaha. Sure thing you dick.

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    sydman's avatar posted by sydman, 5 months ago

    ever since you had kobe's eyebrows tattooed above your nipples you have been pretty cranky...

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    Chrisangelo's avatar posted by Chrisangelo, 5 months ago

    Last time I checked, I wasn't the one who had an eyebrow tattoed above the nipples..

    Here's a proof. Read Sydman's comment here

    http://hoops.blink.ph/2008/06/16/chris-speaks-leave-to-die-another-day/

    *** Sydman loves KG so much that he tattooed his eyebrows just above his nipples.

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    POi_of_the_dead's avatar posted by POi_of_the_dead, 5 months ago

    royce gracie dominated the early days of the ufc because he fought fighters (most) who doesnt know how to defend themselves on the ground. well, he's cool because he's the first one to do that.

    nice list, but where is tank? i think he deserves a special mention for his popularity.

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    POi_of_the_dead's avatar posted by POi_of_the_dead, 5 months ago

    btw, anyone know when cung le's next fight is? i love that guy!

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    Chrisangelo's avatar posted by Chrisangelo, 5 months ago

    ^ News is, he'll be fighting Kazuo Misaki in November

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    darthjesus's avatar posted by darthjesus, 5 months ago

    this thread is......

    Photobucket

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    POi_of_the_dead's avatar posted by POi_of_the_dead, 5 months ago

    @ chris, november?! thats a long wait!

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    Chrisangelo's avatar posted by Chrisangelo, 5 months ago

    ^ Yep. There's really no one else to fight in the Middleweight Division of Strikeforce. Not unless they co-promote with EXC again.

    And yeah, he has plans to go to hollywood

    http://blogs.chron.com/fighting/2008/06/strikeforce_champion_cung_le_g_1.html

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    POi_of_the_dead's avatar posted by POi_of_the_dead, 5 months ago

    ^ wiki says that he'll be playing Law in an upcoming tekken film. or maybe they co-promote with UFC , i'd like to see him against anderson silva although i think his chances of winning are slim to none.

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